Building a Culture of Compassion: Dustin McKibben on Out-Caring the Competition
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Building a Culture of Compassion: Dustin McKibben on Out-Caring the Competition
Ask most people what Art Home Photo does and they will say it takes real estate photos. Dustin McKibben, the company's owner, sees it differently. There are plenty of real estate photographers in the market, he says, but Art Home Photo is a real estate marketing company. Many realtors treat listing photos like getting the carpets cleaned. Dustin wants his team to come alongside agents, treat them like family, and help grow their business rather than just take the next photo.
Brad Noll has worked with Dustin for years and credits him with pushing the Noll Team forward on marketing. On this episode of Student of the Game, Brad asks Dustin to skip the highlight reel and talk about the lead-up: the challenges, the sacrifices, and the fundamentals behind a business that has grown fast.
From Weddings to Real Estate
Dustin studied photography in college in New York and paid his way by shooting for a high-volume wedding studio, as many as 300 weddings a year. Once he and his wife started having kids, weekend work meant missing ballet performances and T-ball games. He began dabbling in real estate photography on the side and running the numbers on how it could become more than grocery money.
Then COVID raised a hard question: what if every wedding canceled? Dustin put everything he would have spent marketing to brides into building relationships with realtors. The work grew from one house a day to five, ten, and twenty, and he realized he needed to build a team so he could still be home to put his kids to bed. Many of his first real estate clients came from former wedding couples who told their agents they wanted their wedding photographer to shoot their home.
“It's more like, how can I love on you more than anyone else? How can I care about you and your business more than anyone else?”
Dustin McKibben
Lean Into What You Are Good At
Brad brings up The E-Myth, the idea that most people start a business because they are good at a technical skill, not because they know how to run a business. So what is Dustin's fundamental? Surprisingly, it is not photography. He calls himself probably the least talented photographer at his school. What he was good at was building relationships. He brought lunch to his roommate, the top photographer in the school, and took top wedding photographers to dinner to learn how they built their businesses.
That became the mission at Art Home Photo. "How can I love on you more than anyone else? How can I care about you and your business more than anyone else?" Dustin says. He tells his team that if someone out-cares them, they have failed.
His model is Chick-fil-A. Driving between college in New York and Indiana on breaks, Dustin stopped there religiously, because even in winter someone in a parka would clean his windshield at the drive-thru. "They made me a customer for life," he says. Brad calls that the heart of being a student of the game: picking up clues from other industries. Dustin says he has never done much traditional marketing. Relationships have opened the doors, including a recent chance to photograph the new mayor of Fort Wayne. "When our clients succeed, we succeed," he says.
From Doing Everything to Building a Team
The turning point came with his first hire, a 19-year-old photographer who wanted to be creative again. Dustin says it was like having a fourth child: teaching that young photographer things he already knew in a new way, and even explaining how credit cards work. That experience showed him the kind of team he wanted to build, one that felt like family instead of a transactional relationship between owner and employee.
Brad adds a lesson he is working on himself. Handing off a task and walking away is abdication. Real delegation is a loop, where the leader comes back, asks how it is going, and coaches the person to grow.
A friend once gave Dustin a line he now builds around: "Build a business so big that the people who work for you, their dreams can live within your dreams." Brad connects it to the visionary and integrator roles in Gino Wickman's book Traction, and to his belief that part of a leader's job is setting a vision big enough for people to see themselves growing in it.
The Grind Behind the Camera
Parents call Dustin often to ask about their kids pursuing photography. He tells them you can build a business out of almost anything, but being a business owner is not for everyone. Owners lie awake over payroll, taxes, unhappy clients, and how to help their people grow their income, too.
He is also candid that real estate photography may be the most emotionally and mentally draining kind of photography he has done, because real estate is so reactionary. Part of the job is coaching agents toward the path of least resistance:
- Ask why the shoot needs to happen today or tomorrow.
- Make sure the agent has seen the house and it is ready.
- Pick a time that fits the listing date, so nobody's time is wasted.
- Deliver the photos when the agent needs them, so everyone wins.
- Stretch your marketing one notch, starting with one video on one house.
Why real estate, then? Dustin loves going into people's homes. Selling a home is one of the biggest transactions of most people's lives, and sellers often expect the photographer to point out what is wrong. When he tells them how much he loves what they have done and watches their face light up, he is serving the realtor, too. As he sees it, his team is an extension of the agent.
Brad used the same idea early in his career. At inspections for young first-time buyers, he started talking with the parents who came along and invited them to support their kids rather than tear the house apart. Many of those parents later became clients. With about 26 people involved in a typical transaction, he says, relationships win has to include all of them.
Becoming the Name Agents Know
Brad compares Art Home Photo to Kleenex: when agents think of listing photography, they think of Art Home. Dustin stays humble about it, but he points to a void he saw. Coming into real estate with a fresh perspective, he noticed nobody was doing video at the level he thought was possible. Agents did not know what to do with video, so he taught them to post it, boost it, and share it in Facebook groups. One agent told him a single listing video had led to six more transactions.
Growth brings its own challenges. Art Home Photo now has a building and a sign on the road, along with rent, insurance, and a new space that was missing a water heater. The constant question is how to keep relationships at the core while growing to serve more people. Dustin has told his wife that if they ever go out of business, it will be because they out-gave their ability.
What Does Winning at the Game of Life Look Like for Dustin McKibben?
In this season, winning means being at his son's baseball practice, locking eyes with his daughter during gymnastics, and reading the bedtime story. "Otherwise, why did I fight so hard to build this?" he asks. Professionally, it means building a team that feels loved, cared for, and connected like a family, and learning to say no to some things so he can say yes to others.
Brad shares a mentor's definition of the good life: it is both, not either-or. He also notes that real estate can be an isolating business, and that anyone can drift without people who see them, celebrate them, and hold them accountable.
Dustin sends flowers to his wife for giving him room to build, to his office manager, to his parents, and to Brad. He also shares a highlight from the week: photographing Noll Team agent Trevor Day's marriage proposal. Brad's response sums up the episode. Cheering for other people, he says, is one of the greatest gifts in life.
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